>> Pete

I have agree and disagree with you on some points.
The fact that mods / staff aren't doing their job does seem to be a problem, I haven't seen many of them active. And the one mod who I've only ever chatted with (going unnamed to protect their identity) does do their job, but they get a lot of hate for it most of the time. I feel like new mods need to be put in place, if users are willing.
On another point, I know the user in reference (obviously, I'm pretty sure everyone does at this point) and what they're doing technically isn't wrong. They're going around asking for play with people, which isn't against any rules. However, I had to tell that user no more than once, which does count as sexual harassment. I regret not reporting it soooner but it was simple to just block.
The mods can ban a user as needed, but that won't stop them from making another account. There's no rule against that. You're free to continue making accounts, but I agree, it should be put in place to get an IP ban if a user continues to absuse the system. Especially if they harass users or are still underage when they make accounts.

>> Anya

The people who were banned were banned for a reason. Theres literally only four rules to this website and they got stupid enough to break one. But again, there's nothing against stopping a user from just re-creating a new account, that's perfectly fine. While I agree with you that there's not enough active users on there, unbanning those who sexually harassed or bullied another user won't change anything. The reason I (and apparently so many others) left, is because there were toxic users on this site. I was personally bullied by many and there was nothing that could or would be done about it. Mostly because said toxic users were friends with a mod. Things wouldn't be bad if the site had mods who knew how to stand up for what's right and do it correctly. Meaning they need to have no problem banning their friends or family and judge fairly, or if they feel too conflicted over their friends, need to pass it along to a mod who does not know them. Un-banning users won't do anything for site popularity, at all. If anything, us, the users, should spread the FT site around their social media, bring in other furrs who need a place to go.
 

TL;DR - The only thing I can add to this thread is:
- Get new / active mods on the job
- Ban an IP address after multiple counts of banishment, harassment, or underage abuse
- Don't un-ban users
- Spread Furrtrax around your social media for more users to join

As a long standing mod I feel I have a right to weigh in. Now I've been on the mod team a long time and I'll admit I probably do not know many of the mods coming around here anymore so I can not speak on their behavior, character, etc. But I will say I think you overestimate the powers actually deligated to the moderation team. I, for the sake of security, won't go into the full details of waht we can and can not do but I can assure you it is not as extensive as what you are claiming. What you are looking for is a site administrator not a moderator, unfortunately. Far as people harassing others (and again i can only speak personally on this) It takes a lot of time to monitor chats, discussions, and what not that just really is not always available. I puruse profiles and occasionally peek in on the chats to see what is going on but the best way to get attention is always with a report. Reports go straight to all of us when they are filed. So not to challenge the users here but for something that is such an issue I have seen very little in ways of reports to notify me of the problem. I can assure you should I see an issue I will address it as best I am able but it is also fair to say that the staff (who work unpaid mind you) can not be everywhere at once to see everything. In the end you the users are our best set of eyes.

As long as i have been on the site (Witch is a wile) i have seen off and on about precented issues, and the difficulty on the problems

but as of the mods, siris ill have to agree with you on the end user's to be the modderation team's only eyes at the time of user abuse

with that said the trouble that keeps popping up over these last few years is in reguards to user's not only reporting it but not making

sure that an active mod is notified at the time of action, im not trying to bash anyone or anything but sometimes extra effort is needed

when taking action, do it with enough speed and memory so that the problem will be handled just as fast and the trouble with no longer

hinder the community and life go's on, but the bullying mintality and the degeneratcy these days can come as an the biggest pain in the

neck so i can understand the mods and the difficulty they deal with (doing it without being paid to do so, which im sorry these days you cant get any workers that are willing to do what this sites mods are doing)

now don't get me wrong i have came across mods i really didn't like at all but i kept my mouth shut mainly because of the respect i had

for not just one mod but all of them because i understood them

I am going to agree with Siris on the overestimating portion. There is only a select few things we as MODS can do. What I see I do try to work with as best possibly depending on the situation. I 100% see the people you've spoken of seeing as they were in my inbox aswell and I dealt with it during that time as best I could. The key here is to -report and -share this website to your own socials for a more positive growth for this site. Very few that I see report, though a few of the more seasoned members do so, and we thank you! As of now I believe most of our growth is from people stumbling onto the site by accident and or an extensive Google search. If you EVER need a quick response please feel free to email me at [email protected]. This is my email for a combination of my social jobs, just let me know the problem and if able proof is always helpful to making a fair decision! Keep in mind that we are volunteers to our job, and we won't always be online to keep an eye out no matter how we try. I believe we all need to work together to be proactive if we want this site to continue growing.

The biggest problem i have with thus whole situation is how you started this whole thing with "directly attacking (verbally/ text)  is NOT COOL...   that is why the mods are here talk to them ..." And then proceeded to do exactly what you told other people not to do, while indirectly insulting every person on this site.

While i understand your overall point, absolutly no one can take you seriously now.. Youve already shown that you dont stand behind your own statements by calling out kendra in a public place. Your holier then thou attitude combined with your hypocritical methods really make you look like an idiot whos main goal is trying to start drama and trouble, just because your bored.

Before telling others to watch what they put in text maybe you should watch what you place in text for everyone to read, and instead of trying to take care of a problem on the site by yourself, actually do what you told others to do and let the mods know if you have a problem. They are in the position they are in for a reason. Your not a mod so please stop trying punish /humiliate someone for something when its not actually in your power to do so.

I tried to look on both sides of the argument but that is pretty much impossible now, with how you tried to take the rules into your own hands and your own hypocritical actions. 

Like you said the rules are the rules for a reason try following them yourself please.

This thread was ment to be for discussing how to make the site better and more active. How the hell did it turn into a witch hunt over someone's kink page.. Seriously...

1.  If we ban someone, they are not allowed to return, and if they are back, on a new account, report it to us, because come on people, do i really need to write it in the rules, that if we ban you, your not allowed to just make a new account and come back?  The statement that this isnt against the rules is not true.

2.  IP Bans have been done for the worst offenders, however IP Bans can be bypassed, proxy's, VPNs, etc.  The tech for this has proliferated heavily, so practically everyone can do it.

3.  We are not un-banning anyone who is on the Hall of Shame(permanent bans).

4.  We are not un-banning ANYONE who is on the Hall of Shame(permanent bans).

5.  If someone really did threaten to ban you for outing someone's duplicate account, show proof, because i highly doubt it.  Most likely you were making a scene about something, and were told to calm down/etc.

6.  As Siris has stated for the security of the site, moderators are not gods, and cannot affect high level changes, such as permanent bans, ip bans, etc.  Those items MUST be escalated to a Full Admin!

7.  All Staff are volunteers, INCLUDING MYSELF, Do you see spam banners, popups, sliders, email spam, link hyjacks, or any of the such here on this site like many others have, NOPE!  Why you might ask?  Because this site is for the people, not for profit.

8.  If you claim something happenned, and later tell us nothing was done, but you also never bothered to report it, or assumed someone else reported it, you have absolutely nothing to claim here, the Report to Staff function literally messages ALL STAFF like a machine gun, USE IT, or stop complaining.

9.  IF you send us a report, even if its 5 pages long, and 3 pages wide, if there is no proof, or screenshots, etc, included in the report, How are we to judge the truth, Do you have any idea how many false reports i have seen, where one member accuses another of something bad to get them banned, and it was all a lie....

10.  Takola Vashen you are absolutely right, If a member decides to take it upon themselves to attack someone they feel doesnt belong here, etc, We absolutely view that as a punishable offense, because then how are we to judge who the real instigator was, or whos wrong was the biggest, MY defacto rule if that happens is ban both!

11.  Nerio where the hell did Pedo talk come from, unless i missed something you just switched subjects from corn fields to common stock, Obviously they arent allowed on here, and why you are suddenly ranting about it makes no sense to me.

12.  Nerio again, your incesant ranting about your personal beliefs, cubs, whatever, is a complete waste of my time, the rules are not up for your interpretation, nor are they open for you to lobby against them or for new ones like some wanabe politician, you seem borderline obscessed with hearing yourself rant and its getting quite annoying.

13.  If you see a pedo, or god knows what else, report it, if you take it upon yourself to harrass them, belittle them, or fill my chatrooms with hate speech or flame wars regarding it, or god forbid have an hour long philosophical debate about how evil they are in the public chatroom, i personally Guarantee you a 1 week ban, REPORT IT, WITH PROOF, and STFU, we will kindly turn their info over to the authorities, and let them get what is coming to them from the people "WHO ARE PAID TO DO THE POLICING!  AND PAID TO PUT THEIR BOOTS UP CRIMINALS ASSES"  The users are observers, scouts, etc.

14.  Nerio again, You made this thread, and these posts, because you seem to think, incorrectly, that by making a giant ass fucking scene, and ranting like someone whos tail is on fire, that you will somehow make a big enough scene we will bend to your will and revise the whole site and the whole rule book into the one you think is proper for the whole fandom.  Newsflash, You do not decide what is right or wrong for this ___________ (site, fandom, group, generation, etc), and with all the bullshit comotion and noise you have been blasting, you are on my list about to be banned yourself if you do not take half a bottle of chill pills.

15.  Nerio, Why is it i keep having to address you so often.....

16.  Nerio, This website is NOT a police site, it is not a site run by democrats, or liberals, or any of the such, We are not like other sites, where anyone who steps out of the strict norm gets banned, or shamed, etc.  If you do break laws, or do truly evil things, we hand you over to the wolves(authorities) yes.  But this site is set apart because it is our intent, to live and let live, only police when absolutely needed, and allow people open discussion and expression, even if that expression is starkly outside the norm, we are furries for crying out loud, most the world thinks WE are a, how did you say it, "mental disorder", the rest think we are just some kind of wierd sexual deviants, or that were all gay.  Thank you mainstream media for all of those incorrect assessments....

17.  Nerio again, Its one thing if people talk, or fantasize about doing god only knows what, what happens between your ears is your own business, some people stupidly commit those thoughts to posts at times.  Its quite another to actually do something, plan something, or cause something to happen.  Tell me you have never gotten angry and thought about beating the crap out of a teacher, parent, friend, enemy, whatever.  If you say you never have, your lying.  Everyone does, I have imagined so many times how i wanted to go slash an old Boss's tires from a company i worked for many years ago because he was a complete moron who had no business being in charge of a company that did things he couldnt even pronounce properly, and kept fucking up jobs by making people do the jobs in stupid ways to save costs, and then blaming us, not himself when it all blew up in his face.  That being said, if you see someone on this site talking about pedo/etc, report it, with proof, and dont get involved.

18.  Nerio, you are not the judge, the jury, a member of the jury, the executioner, the police, or a detective, Quit acting as if you are, if you have such inclinations, go join the police academy, or the armed forces, they both can always use the help, and then you can likely find the true sense of belonging you seem to seek, and can affect positive changes in the world around you with actual authority and purpose.

19.  Nerio, if you dissagree with what i have said, or feel it is your devout duty to obscessively argue and rebutt what i have laid down here and somehow prove me wrong, or god know what, or torture me with another 10 minute long read of a post that re-iterates the same nonesense 3 different ways, please do so, so that i can screenshot it, and report you to myself, and then ban you.  Thank you!

There are plenty of other sites that are run by staff who include grammar nazi's, and super strict nutts who will ban people or scrutinize them for every little thing, that isnt us, if you do not like it, go to one of those sites.

Note: If I get to number 20, and it has a 5 letter word beginning with N, and ending with O in it, i wont be very happy.

Oh and BTW, Nerio, who has caused all this ruckus, uses multiple accounts, his other account is called "20k", funny how the GPS traces on his account, come from the exact same house as that account.